I share in this podcast the harrowing experience I had with my firstborn child and how that changed the way I raised all of my children.
I explain that Homeopathy is more than home remedies, herbs, and vitamins; how it used to be prevalent in the US and is still widely used in Europe, South America, and India.
Homeopathy is a simple – yet intelligent and elegant – way to physically help your family.
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Jendy: Hello, this is Jendy, and I am here with Joette Calabrese from JoetteCalabrese.com, and she is an expert on homeopathy and has several courses coming out that I believe our listeners would be very interested in. So hello, Joette. How are you?
Joette: Hi, I'm very well. Thanks for inviting me, Jendy.
Jendy: Would you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Joette: Yes, certainly. I'm an American homeopath. I'm a public speaker and an author, and I've studied and practiced homeopathy for about 27 years. But I was not always a homeopath. I raised my children and homeschooled them for 15 years while studying to become a professional homeopath. And I also made all my family's foods from scratch and raised chickens and ducks, and we have bees, and we have a pond.
And so, my children are all grown now. They're adults and away from the home, but I raised my children solely with homeopathy. They just never got an antibiotic, never had a Tylenol, not even an aspirin. My oldest is 27, and we have two others just under his age, and they've never had any drugs at all because I counted 100% on homeopathy and homemade foods and some botanicals as well.
I have been very involved with Weston Price Foundation. I'm on the honorary board of the Western A. Price Foundation, and I'm a professional speaker and present at many of their international and regional conferences. I've spoken internationally and have authored not only my own blog where I try to give mostly women … I skew towards moms because I feel very strongly about what I was capable of doing with my education, and I want to be able to share that with others.
Jendy: I think for me, when I became a mom is when I became much more interested in what I was putting in the body. Before that I didn't think about it, for me personally. And I love what you said about that, about antibiotics. One time I took my child to the doctor, I think for an earache, and they gave him antibiotic. And they said, “Well, that's not really going to take it away. You're going to have to come back and get something else.” And I was kind of like, “Well, then why do I want this?”
Joette: Right. Good question. What I want to do with moms is I want them to question the authorities and not just … once you homeschool your children, for example, you can't help but start questioning other traditional methods of raising children. Once you step outside of one box, you can't help but note that, “Boy, that's not right either, and maybe I should check this out; maybe I should look into this instead of that.” And it just snowballs into a lifestyle that is pure and noble, as far as I'm concerned.
Jendy: So how did you first get interested in homeopathy?
Joette: Well, I went to a lecture offered by a doctor, an M.D., about 27 years ago. He was traveling through my hometown of Buffalo, New York, and he was giving a lecture on vaccines, and I was pregnant with our first son. And I went to the lecture to learn a little bit about vaccinations, because I wasn't sure. I'd read a little bit and just wasn't certain about it. And I had no idea that this man was also a homeopathic physician. And so when I went and listened to him, I was astounded by the numbers and his data and the information that he gave this small band of mothers in regards to how every single illness that vaccines are supposed to protect us against, there's a homeopathic medicine that's been used for close to 200 years that has been shown to be even more efficacious.
I was blown away that night. And I went home and told my husband about it and was very excited. And I bought a book, a simple homeopathy book, and a little homeopathy kit, which meant that I had a number of remedies that I could use if something happened to someone in our family, and then this book to help me determine it. And then I went and met with a pediatrician to determine who I was going to have as my pediatrician for my child when he was born.
And I told the pediatrician that I was thinking about the idea of vaccination and that we were considering postponing vaccinations, or at least maybe minimizing the number in the very beginning and slowly adding them. And he kind of rolled his eyes a little bit, that should have been my first clue, but it wasn't — I wasn't savvy enough at that time to pick up on those nuances — but he rolled his eyes.
And all my friends told me, “Oh, he's a great guy. He's very open-minded.” Which was another clue I should have listened to, because when you hear “open-minded,” that's not what you want. We don't want an open-minded doctor; we want a doctor who really gets it — not someone who will consider. No, no, you want somebody who's already done the homework.
So, my son was born, and I took him for his well-baby checkup. That was mistake number three now, okay, because there was nothing wrong with him. He was well! What did I need a doctor to tell me that he was well for? So, I foolishly did that and in trotted the nurse with a little vial and tossed it in my son's mouth. I said, “What was that?” She said, “Oh, just his polio vaccine.”
Now, he was six weeks old. He was as healthy as can be. He never had anything wrong with him; he had been nursing vigorously; he was the right weight. And there was nothing I could say. There was nothing I could do. I said, “Well, I guess that's the way it went.”
I decided though, I was pretty disturbed by the fact that they didn't recognize the fact that on my chart, it was very clear that we were going to postpone, and we were going to talk about it before, et cetera, et cetera, and no one bothered to do that with me. And I went home deciding I am not going back to that pediatrician.
Well, two days later, my son got very, very sick — 105.5 fever — he was listless. It lasted for two and a half days. And I said, “I am not going back to that pediatrician because I know what he'll do. He'll want to put him on an antibiotic and Tylenol, and I will be down the road that I did not want to travel ever in my life.”
And he was only six weeks old, it would've been just the very beginning.
So, I had this book — this homeopathy book — and this kit. And nothing in the book indicated where to go with something such as vaccinosis or injury from vaccine, but what it did have was a chapter on high fevers. And so, I can't tell you precisely why I chose this specific remedy that I chose. It was an embryotic decision, but I decided to use the remedy Sulphur 30. And my mother was with me; my close friend was with me. They could see how sick my son was. He was laying in my arms, lethargic. He looked all dried out. Later, I realized I should never have been without forcing some kind of fluids in him. And he probably should have been on an IV — he was so sick — to get at least saline solution. But I lucked out.
And I put the pills, four little Sulphur 30C — that's a homeopathic remedy — directly into his parched little mouth. And honest to goodness, Jendy, it was less than 40 minutes. He became firm in my arms; he commenced nursing, and the fever was completely gone. I was flabbergasted. My mother said, “What just happened?” My friend said, “Holy cow, this is amazing.”
And that's what turned me. I said, “I must learn about this medicine. I must know what this is.” Had I gone the other route, he would've had an antibiotic, like I said, and Tylenol. Tylenol's very dangerous for the liver, especially a little baby's forming liver. Antibiotics ruin the gut, even long term. I'm not talking about even if you give them probiotics, it takes a long time to undo what antibiotics can do to a baby's — to anyone's gut, for that matter.
And I found the answer myself in this book. I did it. I cured my son. I can't tell you the pleasure that I had in having accomplished that. So, I got every book I could find, and there were not very many. We're talking back in the '80s, there were not very many books. So, I dug and dug until I found a woman who had studied homeopathy in England — because homeopathy has been big in this country since the 1940s. It's very big in Europe and England and Germany, France, Switzerland, Greece. But she had studied there. And I begged her — she did not want to do this, but I begged her — to teach me and a band of mothers how to do this, so that we could treat anything that came our way. And we studied for four years — we met every Thursday night — studied for four years, and finally I decided to go to school in Toronto. And the rest is history, for my life.
Jendy: Wow. No more antibiotics or vaccines after that?
Joette: Well, he never had the antibiotic, and he certainly never had another vaccine, and we never went back to those pediatricians. Now he's a 27-year-old man, and as healthy as can be — rarely ever gets sick, and if anything, it's very mild. It's a little cough once every four years or something. And so then I raised our subsequent children in the same fashion, and we just lived on the foods that we grew and the homeopathic medicine that I was learning about consistently.
Jendy: So, if our listener doesn't know what homeopathy medicine is, how would you explain it?
Joette: Okay. Well, most people think that “homeopathy” means home remedies because of the prefix home in the word, but it doesn't mean that at all. “Home,” in the word homeopathy, actually means homonym or like or similar. And “pathy,” of course, means pathology or illness. So, it means similar illness.
So, let me give you an example. Let's say we get an onion, and we chop it up. And most folks, when they're exposed to an onion will have a cluster of symptoms: their eyes might run; their nose might run; their upper lip might excoriate; and they might even become a little jittery. So, that is a cluster of symptoms associated with the gross exposure to an onion.
Now, let's say there's someone who says, “Every spring when the tree buds blossom, my eyes run, my nose runs and my upper lip excoriates, and I'm a little bit jittery.” That's a similar cluster of symptoms as what an onion will cause in the gross form. But it's not exact pathology, it's homeo or similar pathology.
Because the difference is in the first scenario, the cause of the eyes running, et cetera, is as a result of being exposed to an onion. In the second scenario, the etiology or the cause of the illness is as a result of being exposed to tree buds blossoming.
So, in a homeopathic pharmacy (I might say parenthetically, regulated by the FDA — this is not underground, but in a homeopathic pharmacy), the pharmacists get a drop or a tincture — a drop of onion (of juice) and in alcohol, so now it's called a tincture — and they dilute it many times. They dilute it and dilute it and dilute it. So, when I said that I used Sulphur 30 for my son, it was Sulphur, in that example, diluted 30 times. In the onion example, we might dilute that 30 times and “C” or “X” after it, means that it's been diluted to the hundredth or the 10th power. So, it's quite dilute.
At a certain point in dilution, homeopathy — excuse me — the original substance becomes curative. It might cause illness in its original form, causes symptoms such as eyes running, nose running, et cetera. But after it's been diluted a number of times —and it's a mathematical number — once it gets to a certain level, the toxicity is minimized, and the curative aspect of the onion (or whatever plant or whatever mineral we're using) comes to the fore.
So, for that person who has the tree bud blossoming allergies, if we give them homeopathic onion that has been highly diluted — and of course we don't use “onion,” (we don't use that as the name). We use the Latin name because this is medicine. So, we use the name Allium cepa, which means onion in Latin. And then it gives us a number as to how many times it's been diluted.
We give that to that person with the tree bud blossoming allergies, and it uproots the allergy. It uproots it — doesn't treat symptoms — it gets rid of it. It's done. We're done. I'm not saying one dose, sometimes it needs to be repeated over a period of days, and depending on the severity of the allergy for that person, it might be weeks, could even be a couple months. But when it's done, it's generally done.
Now, we might find that two years from now when the tree buds are blossoming again, that person might again have that problem, but it will be a much lesser level. They won't suffer nearly as much. It will last for a shorter period of time. So, then they use Allium cepa again, and it goes even deeper.
So, it's almost like pulling up the weeds in the garden. Each time you see the presentation of the weed, if you pull it up by its roots, you might find that there's a little bit of a root left behind. And the next time round, it'll be a weaker level of that dandelion.
That's what homeopathy is.
So, I warned you. I warned you, Jendy. I told you it's a long explanation. Particularly because most folks still believe that it means, “Oh, it means vitamin C or using home remedies or taking raw honey and vinegar for indigestion or something like that.” And all of those have validity, but that's not what homeopathy is.
It is a very specific medical paradigm. And I might also add that I think is rather interesting, is that homeopathy was very big in this country at one time. The homeopaths had 100 hospitals in our country, in about 1940. And at the same time, the conventional doctors had fewer hospitals. Homeopaths were bigger and more impressive hospitals. There were not more homeopaths than the medical doctors — about 40% of the doctors in this country were homeopathic physicians. But there were more hospitals, and they were the big, big important hospitals that you still see all around. They're no longer homeopathic, but it was very big in this country. And then we had an infighting in medicine back in the 1940s, and it was abolished in U.S. and Canada. Again, not so in Europe, South America, India, just North America.
Jendy: Is it coming back at all?
Joette: I think it is coming back. I believe that the way it's going to come back is grassroots this time. Although it was grassroots last time, too. It was mothers who wanted to learn homeopathy, wanted to be able to use it for their families because they were tired of the same old stuff we're tired of today: the antibiotics, and at that time they didn't have Tylenol, but they certainly had aspirin. They didn't want to see their stomachs all turned inside out from aspirin poisoning. They were tired of the old ways, and they wanted something that was gentle, but very, very effective. And that's the description of homeopathy.
Jendy: Yeah. For you personally, do you take something from your homeopathic medicine every week, or is it just kind of like when you get sick?
Joette: Well, if it's something that is an acute — such as an ear infection, for example — then you would just take it for a few days or less than a week, and it would be resolved. And then the next ear infection — that had been historically repeated, like you said earlier, every couple of months it can happen again and again, and again and again. No, it aborts it. It stops the whole process because the body doesn't need to show that any longer.
But if it's something that's chronic, like allergies or food intolerances or long-term illnesses like arthritis, behavior problems in children, now we have to use it for a longer period of time. But again, there are no side effects. No side effects. Can you imagine a medicine that only does good and no bad? We didn't even know there was such a thing, did we?
Jendy: No. And it's always with the end goal to completely stop taking it. It's not like some medicines you get on, you're just on forever. But this medicine is to finish and be done with it.
Joette: That's right. Precisely. Precisely. That's exactly how it works.
Jendy: And at the very root, it is all natural substances.
Joette: Well, it comes from plants, animals, minerals, elements on the periodic table. There are close to 6,000 homeopathic remedies that are made today. The difference between homeopathy and botanicals or herbals is that homeopathy utilizes things in nature that are toxic … because you can … because it's so dilute that it eliminates the toxicity and allows the curative aspect to come to the fore.
So, we can use something like poison ivy. So, herbalists can't use poison ivy; it's too toxic. But if you get poison ivy — the plant — and get a drop of its juice and put it in alcohol, now we've made the tincture (like what I said earlier with the Allium cepa). And dilute it and then dilute it again and again and again and again — say, for example, 30 times to the hundredth power — it's called Rhus tox (that's the Latin name for poison ivy) 30C, for example. And we use that for chicken pox. Why? Because poison ivy acts just like chicken pox: pustules, itching, oozing, restlessness; it's the same picture.
So, it's “homeo pathology.” It's similar illness, but it's similar enough that it will resolve it, but not exact. Because if it was exact, then you would have to get chicken pox pustules and dilute them and give them to the child who has chicken pox. No, no, no, we use similar illnesses. It's quite elegant. It's simple and intelligent.
Jendy: Yes. It's like, “Oh, that makes so much sense, but oh, wow, there's so much more to it.”
Joette: There is more to it. And many teachers of homeopathy … and I will be honest with you, I too (and I've taught at colleges and universities and online and at seminars, and I do presentations all over the world), and I used to teach that it is extremely complex. And then I realized — it took me a long time, I'll be honest with you, Jendy. It took me a long time to realize this — that there is a way to do this for chronic issues that's very easy for moms and families to learn. And that's what I'm teaching now, how to do this very simply with simple protocols.
Jendy: And you teach this through your website, right?
Joette: Yes. I have CDs and books that I have authored that are available on my website. But right now, we're running a course called Good Gut, Bad Gut. And you can go right to the front page, click on the image for Good Gut, Bad Gut, and it gets folks to learn a little bit more about it.
And the reason I call it Good Gut, Bad Gut is because of my nutritional understanding. And because I'm so very much against the use of antibiotics in most illnesses — particularly normal childhood illnesses — I find that people gravitate towards me who have had problems with their children or themselves having been put on antibiotics.
And we find that the ills that come from having used them — even one round of it can do this — are not just about the gut. It doesn't just disorder what's happening in the gastrointestinal system, but it also changes children's personalities. We see ADD in children, we see behavior disorders. We see moodiness and fogginess in adults, as a result of antibiotic poisoning. We see arthritis in older people. I mean, the list goes on and on, and I go into all of that. So, what I teach is how to uproot all of those issues in this Good Gut, Bad Gut course on my website.
Jendy: And that's all centered in the intestinal area?
Joette: Yes. Sugar addictions and menstrual issues, and I'm just looking at some of the … chronic bloating, food intolerances. If I don't get one call by noon every day regarding food intolerances, that's an unusual day for me. Most people suffer; they can't have wheat. Why can't people eat wheat anymore? I mean, wheat has been around for thousands of years, for goodness sakes. Jesus broke bread that way. Why can't we eat wheat?
Well, some people say it's the kind of food that's been grown, and I will concede that it is. A lot of the food is industrialized and is difficult to digest. Nonetheless, we can digest it until we have the antibiotics, and then it's almost like a timeline. We can say, “I've not been well. I've been bloated and have sugar addictions, et cetera, et cetera, ever since last December.” And then my question is, “What happened in October or November?” “I had a sinus infection.” “Oh really? Let me guess what you took.”
And now that sinus infection that was a short-term acute illness … that had it been even left alone (I'm not saying that you would leave it alone), but had you left it alone, it might have lasted perhaps three weeks, two weeks, now has become a chronic illness because of the treatment that was used to uproot the sinus infection.
So what I teach is what do you do if you get a sinus infection? Let's learn a homeopathic remedy so that you can uproot it, and you don't have to think about antibiotics. But if you've already taken them, now what do you do? So, I approach it from the very beginning, the beginning thinking process and all the way to the end when we perhaps have already done damage … because it can be undone, and I've seen it many, many times.
Jendy: Because the body can heal itself if you give it what it needs.
Joette: Absolutely. Absolutely. But not if it's been poisoned. Sometimes, it can't be done on its own. And even with probiotics, they can be helpful here and there, but it depends on the person. Some people, a probiotic can make all the difference in the world, and they can get back on their feet. But what if it's a child who's had an antibiotic?
Let's say my son had been given an antibiotic at six weeks old. And then he had another bout of another high fever or ear infection, would've had another one and another round and another round and another round, another round. Then maybe acne when he was 18, and then by 21, he had a sinus infection. Now how can we possibly expect that poor body to be able to respond properly after it's been poisoned so many times? It's very hard to do that without the help of high quality food (which is also, of course, important) but particularly, with homeopathy to uproot that.
Jendy: Do you have an idea of cost? You mentioned something about you bought a kit when you first started, and then you said there's FDA pharmacies. Are you buying the medicines or have you gotten to the point that you make them, and is there a lot of cost involved?
Joette: Well, I don't make homeopathic medicines, generally speaking, but I do teach it in my … I'm going to be teaching it in my Survivalist course using homeopathy. Where who knows if we're in a storm or there's a catastrophe of some sort, one may need to make a homeopathic medicine, and so I do teach that.
But for everyday use, given that we're living in a comfortable world and things are not at that level, then I urge people to buy these remedies. You can buy them in health food stores, I sell a kit out of my office where they are 100 remedies. And that costs about 200 — I'm going to take an approximation — I believe it's about $255 for 100 homeopathic remedies that are very commonly used in every day family care. [Editor’s note: 100 Remedy Kits are no longer available through Joette’s office.] You can get them at Walmart; you can get them at drug stores; just watch for them.
They have homeopathic remedies for teething, for sleeplessness, for restless legs, for muscle cramps, et cetera. They're ubiquitous. I mean, you can find them most anywhere. Now when I work with someone one-on-one as a client, then I arrange for a pharmacy … for them to work with a pharmacy that makes the remedies specifically for that person. But it's unnecessary. You don't have to go that far in order to get the kind of reaction that you want, just by having a kit or getting to Walmart or a health food store, Whole Foods. They all carry them.
Jendy: That's so interesting, because you said about the hospitals not doing it, and it not being so popular anymore. But we can go anywhere and actually get them. So, there's not the education.
Joette: Yeah. The education is now in the hands of the mothers. That's the bottom line. It's not in the education of the doctors. They've stopped doing this. There are no more homeopathic medical schools in this country. So, that's why I had to leave this country in order to study this. And so now there are homeopathic schools that are starting up again. There's the American Medical Homeopathic School in Phoenix, Arizona, and I'm on the faculty of that school. But they're far and few between, whereas they used to be two or three of them in every large city.
So, it's not the doctors who are doing this — although in many of the courses that I give online, it's jam packed with nurses. And we do see doctors, too. I have doctors who join my classes. But for the most part, you're not going to find any doctor who knows what this is, who's staying within the guidelines of what he was trained to do in medical school. He's going to have to, or she's going to have to step outside of the box in order to have gone this far and learned another medical science.
Jendy: And you mentioned you sell a kit, and can they get that through your website, too?
Joette: I don't sell it on my website, but if they contact me through the website — either through contact or they can call my office — we sell them directly out of my office, yes. [Editor’s note: 100 Remedy Kits are no longer available through Joette’s office.]
Jendy: And you said that's 100 different remedies?
Jendy: About how long would that last an average family?
Joette: Well, I work with very large families often. I work with a lot of homeschooling folks and a lot of families have many children, and these kits can last for many years. Now, I own a kit — I own a couple of different kits — but I own one kit in particular, my favorite, which is the one I sell to people who are interested. I've owned mine for 19 years. And so, I raised three kids, my husband has used it. We have a dog, a cat, chickens. We've used it on our chickens. We used to have goats; we used it on our goats. And this kit will last, I'll probably be able to pass this down to my great-grandchildren because the remedies never go bad. They don't have stale dates. They don't go bad.
I actually have (if we were live where you could actually see me on this), I'm going to point to a shadow box that I have up in my office here with remedies that were given to me by a man who was in his 90s when he came to see me about 15, 18 years ago.
His mother was a homeopath in Chicago, and he had some of the remedies that she had still left over from her practice. She was an M.D. And he gave them to me. And some of them are from 1910, 1918. And just to be certain that they worked, I used them for my family, and they worked. They still worked! So, they're a century old almost, and they still are effective. So, in a survivalist setting, I can't think of a better kind of medicine to have on hand.
Jendy: If you compare that to the cost of antibiotics, it's way cheaper.
Joette: Oh, it's infinitely cheaper. Meeting with me as a consultant, one-on-one, is not inexpensive, I'll be honest with you. But that's why I write this blog that I write every week, is I know that people can't afford to work with someone one-on-one all the time. So, I write a free blog that is skewed directly towards mothers and their everyday issues. So, I deal with breast infections and teething problems and croup. And I’ve written about what the remedies are, what to use — exactly the precise remedies, the protocol — exactly how it's to be used and where to purchase it. So, I have a little link back to someplace on Amazon or someplace else where we know that they can purchase these remedies. So, they don't have to go running around Walmart or Wegmans or wherever in the country to try to find these.
Jendy: Yes. And I saw you had a signup thing that you could get a free first aid chart or something, like a very simple one. And then you said you have courses, and those are probably a little more cost effective than the one-on-one consulting?
Joette: Yes, of course. Absolutely. And so, these are all online courses, or they're CDs, or they're downloads. I have it in every format possible. No one has to travel to Buffalo, New York, to study with me, they can do it all. And we also have live forums at all times, we have students who are constantly studying and asking questions, and we're always there to answer questions.
Jendy: Awesome. So there's a lot of ways they can learn through your website. And you said you have the Bad Gut, Good Gut course, and you have the Survivalist course.
Joette: Yes. That's coming up. Yes.
Jendy: And are those the two main ones, are there more?
Joette: No, we have another course that's going to be coming up that's called just Skin. And it's all about anything on the skin (including chicken pox), but it can also be psoriasis or warts or skin tags, acne. So, I'm going to be teaching just about skin, so that's another one.
We've got another one that's now in the works, that my writers and I are working on called, Feminopathy, all about women and homeopathy. And it's not even women, it's actually starting at birth, baby, young girls, all the way through to old age, and what remedies are best used for each of the maladies that a girl or woman might encounter. We also have, what are the other ones, I said Survivalist, there's Good Gut, Bad Gut. We just finished, How to Cure Yourself and Family, which is another very important book. That's the goal! That is my goal is to teach families how to cure themselves.
Jendy: So, if our listener is brand new to this topic but intrigued, what would you recommend that they do or start?
Joette: The first thing that I would do is go to my website, Joette Calabrese, J-O-E-T-T-E, Calabrese, C-A-L-A-B-R-E-S-E, JoetteCalabrese.com and sign up for my blog. And it's free. No one ever badgers you; there's no advertising on it. I'm doing this just to get the word out. You'll get a blog every week, it'll be specific to the needs of most families. Even though I direct everything towards moms, to be honest, I know that dads are interested in these things, too — because I talk about shin splints and tendonitis and frozen shoulder and a lot of athletic issues that men might suffer from. But more often than not, it's about children and families in general: the cold, Ebola (I've covered that as well). So, that's a good place to start. And once you're in learning about that, I guarantee you're going to be hooked like I got hooked. I guarantee it.
Jendy: I know I'm going to go sign up for it because I'm intrigued already. Oh, my.
Well thank you Joette, so much for taking the time to talk to me and our listeners today, because I know you're busy with lots to do. And you know so much about this, I can tell I barely scratched the surface of the topic.
Joette: Oh, we could go on this forever, Jendy.
Jendy: I'm going to go have to dive into that blog there.
Joette: Yeah, yeah, please do.
Jendy: Thank you so much.
Joette: You're very welcome.
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